The Spectrum of free will and determinism
Introduction
The age old philosophical question of the spectrum of
free will verses determinism is one I have tended to argue in the past as
having irrelevance to existence.
That is because I think one lives a life as if one has that freedom of choice, for to entertain otherwise, I think risks falling prey to either a lack of motivation or hope. Our society and western legal system is of course based on the premise we are responsible for our actions and therefore have that freedom, barring health issues.
However, there are valid reasons to put the case for determinism, or more particularly to argue they are not mutually exclusive, for maybe you can have a mixture of both.
In search of self
The idea of free will is inextricably tied up with how we view our self; what we hold ourselves to be in terms of the relative freedoms or otherwise assumed in that selfhood. For what is at stake is the layered representations of our minds and the degree of freedom we believe is inherent in the choices we make.
The idea advanced in modernity of our present state of consciousness is it will be the product of the mind’s eye. That is, in effect the amalgam of our minds layered representations (representations of representations), as a consequence of our past and present experiences, coupled with our stored set of values. In other words what you know, what you know you know, and the equivalent of a filing cabinet full of representations pertaining to the values that make up that selfhood.
But as such, it is also a moving feast.
For those stored layers of representations in the brain are constantly being updated to interact with incoming stimuli and everyday communications. There is the hope, given all of that flexibility and complexity, that there is an overarching purpose, to allow one to respond as one sees fit. How much of that decision making is made for us within the brain, before we mentally come to grips with a choice, remains (as in awareness) a moot point.
But for those who argue the case for determinism, I think most still act for all intents and purposes as if they are making real choices. For regardless of that belief, one’s self always gets involved, whether determined for us or by choice[.
The Problem of time
That is because I think one lives a life as if one has that freedom of choice, for to entertain otherwise, I think risks falling prey to either a lack of motivation or hope. Our society and western legal system is of course based on the premise we are responsible for our actions and therefore have that freedom, barring health issues.
However, there are valid reasons to put the case for determinism, or more particularly to argue they are not mutually exclusive, for maybe you can have a mixture of both.
Some philosophers hold the view that universal, (with no
possible exceptions) laws of nature simply don’t exist. But the topic comes
with a lot of baggage, so I have attempted to limit the analysis to free will
versus casual determination, which is explained under the heading of types of
determinism.
Ultimately, one cannot say whether one view is true or
not, nor the effect either would have, if one was found to be true, on human
agency.
In the end I think it boils down to what makes most sense to us from our particular perspective in support of a meaningful existence.
In the end I think it boils down to what makes most sense to us from our particular perspective in support of a meaningful existence.
Different types of Determinism
There are those neuroscientists in modernity that contend
the brain and all of its outputs, including one’s choices, are beyond one’s
physical control.
Hence they believe the idea of free will is illusory,
just as a computer is always subject to its programing.
From a psychological viewpoint the argument is put that
abandoning the notion of freewill provides a release from the burden and agony
of decision making. They claim, paradoxically, that it gives impetus to respond
positively to their fate but still live a life to the fullest. But I think this
is more of a matter of how one responds to outcomes, as in a way of coping. The
way we respond also infers a degree of freedom, just as to decide not to make a
decision, remains an alternative choice.
There is also the ancient idea of casual determinism
which gained traction in the 18th century along with the
advancement in mathematics, understanding of the mind and the laws of
nature.
Casual
determinism is the idea that every event is as a consequence and preceded by
antecedent events and/or conditions, together with the laws of nature.
For instance we might have different tastes for things as a consequence of prior neural activity favouring one choice over another to give way to different structures. That idea envisages those antecedents would stretch back in time to creation.
That in itself seems to me to be a highly implausible idea, which I will talk about later.
Determinism is also associated with fate, as in fatalistic determinism which suggests our existence and its outcomes are predetermined.
But even so in a general sense one can propose certain things are fated to happen given the way this has happened in the past, as in history repeats.
So that in summing up, as in that general sense, we can imagine that certain things are fated to happen. This does not in itself reference deterministic natural laws or universal deterministic laws. Rather, it is a matter of discerning the way that history tends to be repeated.
However, to the extent it remains true under a proposal of determinism, as in all future events are destined to occur, than that is determinism.
For instance we might have different tastes for things as a consequence of prior neural activity favouring one choice over another to give way to different structures. That idea envisages those antecedents would stretch back in time to creation.
That in itself seems to me to be a highly implausible idea, which I will talk about later.
Determinism is also associated with fate, as in fatalistic determinism which suggests our existence and its outcomes are predetermined.
But even so in a general sense one can propose certain things are fated to happen given the way this has happened in the past, as in history repeats.
So that in summing up, as in that general sense, we can imagine that certain things are fated to happen. This does not in itself reference deterministic natural laws or universal deterministic laws. Rather, it is a matter of discerning the way that history tends to be repeated.
However, to the extent it remains true under a proposal of determinism, as in all future events are destined to occur, than that is determinism.
But for the purpose of this paper, I will
talk about the idea of free will versus casual determinism.
In search of self
The idea of free will is inextricably tied up with how we view our self; what we hold ourselves to be in terms of the relative freedoms or otherwise assumed in that selfhood. For what is at stake is the layered representations of our minds and the degree of freedom we believe is inherent in the choices we make.
The idea advanced in modernity of our present state of consciousness is it will be the product of the mind’s eye. That is, in effect the amalgam of our minds layered representations (representations of representations), as a consequence of our past and present experiences, coupled with our stored set of values. In other words what you know, what you know you know, and the equivalent of a filing cabinet full of representations pertaining to the values that make up that selfhood.
But as such, it is also a moving feast.
For those stored layers of representations in the brain are constantly being updated to interact with incoming stimuli and everyday communications. There is the hope, given all of that flexibility and complexity, that there is an overarching purpose, to allow one to respond as one sees fit. How much of that decision making is made for us within the brain, before we mentally come to grips with a choice, remains (as in awareness) a moot point.
But for those who argue the case for determinism, I think most still act for all intents and purposes as if they are making real choices. For regardless of that belief, one’s self always gets involved, whether determined for us or by choice[.
The Problem of time
A limiting factor attributable to the laws of nature
and other material theories favouring determinism, is that they are viewed in
relation to the state of the world at that time.
Our natural inclination is to think about things relating to the past as over and static, to be observed from the lens of our current world, whereas they actually profoundly influence what is our present state, to which we may not be privy.
Hence, we have the concept of bi-directional determinism. That is, the specific state of the world at any time, combined with the laws of nature, determine both how events go after and equally before. So that conceptually, we could have periods when the world was imperfectly deterministic. Say for example determinism was interrupted for thousands of years by events such as spontaneous particle creation events (of which we are not privy) which say occur only once every thousand years in say a thousand-light-year-radius volume of space. Others might argue this is speculative and the laws are unbreakable.
A scientific perspective
Hence there is a growing number of physicists who believe determinism is false. One substantive lever against determinism lies in the family of quantum mechanics which clearly demonstrates a non-deterministic world.
There are many theories that serve us well in general terms, some of which might be regarded as deterministic and others not, ranging from mechanical to quantum and general relativity, but they don’t add much to the debate, as clearly in totality we are a long way away from a theory of everything. We would need to come up with a quantum theory of relativity as a good starting point which remains elusive.
Our natural inclination is to think about things relating to the past as over and static, to be observed from the lens of our current world, whereas they actually profoundly influence what is our present state, to which we may not be privy.
Hence, we have the concept of bi-directional determinism. That is, the specific state of the world at any time, combined with the laws of nature, determine both how events go after and equally before. So that conceptually, we could have periods when the world was imperfectly deterministic. Say for example determinism was interrupted for thousands of years by events such as spontaneous particle creation events (of which we are not privy) which say occur only once every thousand years in say a thousand-light-year-radius volume of space. Others might argue this is speculative and the laws are unbreakable.
A repetition over evolution involving huge time periods,
could suggest changes in those laws adapting to an entirely different world,
beyond our current mental grasp.
For instance, what might conceivably still be heavily influenced by things
that occurred prior to our existence as modern humans, believed to be somewhat
late in the evolutionary cycle, roughly about 200,000 years ago?
Along that prior evolutionary journey, there are many tumultuous and seismic events that shaped our evolving consciousness. At various developmental stages for instance, our survival may have been severally threatened due to, say, severe climatic changes.
Along that prior evolutionary journey, there are many tumultuous and seismic events that shaped our evolving consciousness. At various developmental stages for instance, our survival may have been severally threatened due to, say, severe climatic changes.
Anthropologists for instance believe there is evidence
for this to the extent we very nearly became extinct. The world then, in
recovery mode, may have operated in a non-deterministic way, where spontaneous
growth lasted, say, for thousands of years. So that the laws of nature no
longer operated in a way we understand today. That change may not be
discernible to us looking back in time.
Hence the weakness of those arguing for Determinism is
that it requires a world that remains always in a well-defined state,
to ensure such laws are not only true, but they have always remained
so. That seems to me to be somewhat implausible.
A scientific perspective
Hence there is a growing number of physicists who believe determinism is false. One substantive lever against determinism lies in the family of quantum mechanics which clearly demonstrates a non-deterministic world.
There are many theories that serve us well in general terms, some of which might be regarded as deterministic and others not, ranging from mechanical to quantum and general relativity, but they don’t add much to the debate, as clearly in totality we are a long way away from a theory of everything. We would need to come up with a quantum theory of relativity as a good starting point which remains elusive.
Furthermore, to reiterate, there is nothing special in
relation to our past, which is oft erroneously considered over, and/or as past
history which has little influence on the present and the future. Indeed, in
respect to the question of time (considered by some to be illusory), if we try
to relate it to the universe as in past present and future it becomes
meaningless since it depends upon what space you occupy. Hence all we have
is the concept of space-time.
To reiterate then, in physics, the idea of the past being fixed, as distinct from the present (now) and the future (predictive), must be regarded as a false premise.
To reiterate then, in physics, the idea of the past being fixed, as distinct from the present (now) and the future (predictive), must be regarded as a false premise.
If we shake off the shackles of the past, wedded to
unbreakable laws of nature, it may lead us to consider rationally a more
fruitful world view. One that leaves open the possibility we are mostly
free, but there remains an element of determinism.
So that from my perspective, existence can be partly deterministic according to the specific time frame we occupy. But I think existence affords us the necessary free agency or just that feeling as the circumstances dictate.
So that from my perspective, existence can be partly deterministic according to the specific time frame we occupy. But I think existence affords us the necessary free agency or just that feeling as the circumstances dictate.
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It seems to me that just as we can safely use Newtonian models to predict the path a body in motion will take, (even if we are aware that at the atomic level there is chaos) determinism can be used to successfully predict the future of whole populations under the influence of certain cultural conditions. The voting of a whole nation for their leaders can be swayed just enough to change the future of that nation and thus the whole world, even though no one particular vote has be rigged.
To that extent, I see world history in the past two centuries as being more and more deterministic.
You and I have free will. The population as a whole is subject to its programming.
See, I managed to reply without once referring to quantum entanglement … oh dear, but I suppose now I’ve spoiled that …
Hi Deanna,
Very nicely put!,
Such an immensely complicated subject you have managed to make a couple of very succinct conclusions.
Best wishes
Hi Lindsay,
I will begin at the end and hope, I repeat hope, to get back to the beginning at some stage. As far as your last paragraph is concerned, on the macro level surely the laws of nature are indeed unbreakable. It is a basic tenet of physics that this is so and that they are universal.
I agree that one lives one's life as if one has freedom of choice, but not because to do otherwise would risk falling into a state of lack of motivation or hope. We just do it! And surely devout religious attempt to lead their lives according to Him in whom they believe, even though the actualities of their lives are other than of their choosing. I would suggest further, that if the following of a religious/psycho-spiritual path is what is required of us, then our only choice is to stop kicking against the inevitable. Thereafter, free will disappears.
Now I'll think a little more about your earlier paragraphs.
Hi Tom,
Thanks for your input which is always welcome and helpful to me in better understanding another’s perspective. This is going to a bit longwinded, and I might repeat myself as I would appreciate your feedback. Bear in mind however I am taking about the laws of nature and perspectives arising from the point of view of metaphysics – that is questions that legitimately lie outside of physics. Under the heading of ‘the problem of time’ I touch on bi-directional determinism. That is the specific state of the world at any time, combined with the laws of nature, determine both how events go after and equally before. So that conceptually we could have periods when the world was imperfectly deterministic.
Say for example determinism was interrupted for thousands of years by events such as spontaneous particle creation events (of which we are not privy) which say occur only once every thousand years in say a thousand-light-year-radius volume of space.
Don’t you think determinism could therefore be false, given this unrealistic example? Or there could be any number of other examples of which we are unaware, but if we were, we would accept that there are exceptions ?
Summing up, assuming something like this occurs, the world would appear to remain deterministic as per its laws, as it would not be known to us. We are trapped on planet earth, and what works well for us is its laws, which are true for us, through the lens with which we see things, but therein is there not limitation?
This is indeed a very complex subject but some philosophers hold the views the idea that universal, (with no possible exceptions) laws of nature simply don’t exist. I don’t disagree with what you say, about what we know, but what we don’t know is what exceptions there may have been in periods of time and space we are not privy.
The other points you raise weren’t really meant to be argued against. The heading ‘in defence off free will’ may have given a wrong impression. I think our existence is mixture (mostly) of freedom and determinism. One can choose what spiritual guidance makes sense to us. Surely that is a freedom? Just as you are free to continue that pathway all the days of your life?
Being open to the spirit I like to think of as in the positive side in that it is to be free from the baggage or whatever burden we carry to then be more open to the path intended. So in that in that context I don’t see how that is negating free will. But I understand the word free will also has a lot of negative baggage attached to it so I think I get your point.
Best wishes
I'm sorry Lindsay, but there appears a large number of 'what-ifs' in your submission. Throw logic and reason out of the window if you wish; introduce possible deterministic periods if you wish; but never in my experience have I ever known - and let's not beat about the bush - God in whatever form you understand that [or not understand if you wish] ever be inconsistent.
Consistency is important, and that relates directly to people's lives in ways which mere philosophising does not. The idea of a mixture of freedom and determinism appears to me to be of the same ilk as particle and wave theory of light. It's a bodge we make to try to understand what appears to be what happens, according to our experience. But our experience is strictly limited, so much so that it may not be possible, ever, to describe either determinism or freedom or even agree against what background those charlatans can be measured.
Hi Tom,
Thanks for your input which is well argued. To reiterate the purpose of this post was to explore this immensely complex matter, but I am having difficulty with your point about the desirability of consistency. Of course I agree consistency is important but without wishing to make a play on words, isn’t consistency equally tied up with a degree of freedom, as in our autonomy to make our choices in life? There is also the moral question pertaining to the ethical choices we make which may affect the freedom of others. That consistency will depend on the impact elsewhere so we have a tension between the crossroads of facticity and consistency. That is what may be seen as okay to us in terms of freedom may impact on a lack of freedom for others and so it goes on.
On the other hand one might argue that all choice are always going to be made because of prior antecedent events or conditions (including a spiritual experience) so that you are then talking about casual determinism. Is that what you mean? But I gather you may also want to avoid any conclusion at all and say you think and act as if you have free will whilst you believe in determinism to the extent as to what’s known. ? I'm not overly wedded to either view and open to changing my mind.
Best wishes
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